tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7597656451205429515.post8521425636956525898..comments2024-02-16T17:52:44.944-06:00Comments on The Nuclear Green Revolution: How much would an all renewables electrical system cost?Charles Bartonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01125297013064527425noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7597656451205429515.post-59072319252287788142009-02-23T15:07:00.000-06:002009-02-23T15:07:00.000-06:00Charles Barton wrote:The Gore plan, the Google pla...Charles Barton wrote:<BR/><I>The Gore plan, the Google plan, the energy writings of Joe Romm, the views of the Internet site Gristmill, and other self proclaimed energy authorities, all maintain the view that an all renewable grid is possible.</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps Al Gore, Joe Romm, or some other prominent person who makes such a claim would be willing to live it. Simple enough: Select (for example) a group of wind turbines near the volunteer's home. Monitor the generation of those wind turbines, and make available (via a Smart Grid device!) an amount of power to the home proportional to the generation of that source. When it comes time for billing, the charges would be equal to the feed-in tariff for the wind turbines PLUS any wind generation subsidy.<BR/><BR/>If the intermittant nature of the power is not acceptable, the volunteer can install his own batteries, or be charged for the additional electricity at a rate equal to the generation costs via renewable, plus the storage costs.<BR/><BR/>Somehow, I don't think these folks will be standing in line to sign up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7597656451205429515.post-13568137359103767262009-02-22T13:16:00.000-06:002009-02-22T13:16:00.000-06:00Bobcat: "So they will not be competing against nuc...Bobcat: "<I>So they will not be competing against nuclear energy but natural gas instead.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I made that point <A HREF="http://community.nytimes.com/blogs/comments/dotearth/2009/02/11/a-solar-deal-to-put-mirrors-in-the-mojave.html?permid=130#comment130" REL="nofollow">in a discussion on the <I>New York Times</I></A>:<BR/>Wind and solar compete with gas;<BR/>nuclear and geothermal compete with coal.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749459207189576328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7597656451205429515.post-72512672631399406362009-02-21T18:02:00.000-06:002009-02-21T18:02:00.000-06:00At least here in Southern California, solar therma...At least here in Southern California, solar thermal plants will be used for generating electricity when it is needed the most, which is during the day. So they will not be competing against nuclear energy but natural gas instead. Depending on the economics, which I am sure Charles will soon be running the numbers, solar thermal energy will complement nuclear energy, not supplant it. <BR/><BR/>A nuclear/solar economy will drive the greens crazy. That in itself would be enough to pursue that option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7597656451205429515.post-82534822331164243492009-02-21T13:47:00.000-06:002009-02-21T13:47:00.000-06:00Have you run the numbers for solar thermal with st...Have you run the numbers for solar thermal with storage? <A HREF="https://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-use-solar-energy-at-night" REL="nofollow">How to Use Solar Energy at Night</A> (<I>Scientific American</I>) claims <BR/><BR/>"All told, that means thermal energy storage at Andasol 1 or power plants like it costs roughly $50 per kilowatt-hour to install, according to NREL's Glatzmaier. ... Electricity from a solar-thermal power plant costs roughly 13 cents a kilowatt-hour, according to Glatzmaier, both with and without molten salt storage systems."Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749459207189576328noreply@blogger.com